Can you use the Shield Master feat to shove someone before you make an attack by using a Readied action? Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?Can you move before using the bonus attack from the Great Weapon Master feat?Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?Does the Animated Shield count as wielded by me for the Shield Master Feat?Can you take a readied action in the middle of another character's action?With Polearm Mastery and Shield Mastery, can I attack an approaching monster, shove it with my shield, and get a second attack, all on its turn?Is the Shield Master shove the same as normal shoving other than the action timing?What happens if you can't use the action that allowed for your bonus action?Can you shove (Attack Action), attack (Extra Attack) and use Polearm Master's bonus action attack?Can the Shield Master feat's bonus-action shove be used to make an improvised weapon attack?If you have the Extra Attack feature, can you attack once, then ready your second attack as a grapple/shove?
Why do the resolve message appear first?
Can a new player join a group only when a new campaign starts?
Irreducible of finite Krull dimension implies quasi-compact?
What does "lightly crushed" mean for cardamon pods?
How to answer "Have you ever been terminated?"
How to show element name in portuguese using elements package?
How can I use the Python library networkx from Mathematica?
Is it a good idea to use CNN to classify 1D signal?
Is there a kind of relay only consumes power when switching?
Denied boarding although I have proper visa and documentation. To whom should I make a complaint?
An adverb for when you're not exaggerating
Why are there no cargo aircraft with "flying wing" design?
Circuit to "zoom in" on mV fluctuations of a DC signal?
What would be the ideal power source for a cybernetic eye?
Can melee weapons be used to deliver Contact Poisons?
Why aren't air breathing engines used as small first stages
Closed form of recurrent arithmetic series summation
How to react to hostile behavior from a senior developer?
2001: A Space Odyssey's use of the song "Daisy Bell" (Bicycle Built for Two); life imitates art or vice-versa?
Is it cost-effective to upgrade an old-ish Giant Escape R3 commuter bike with entry-level branded parts (wheels, drivetrain)?
Is there any way for the UK Prime Minister to make a motion directly dependent on Government confidence?
Why didn't Eitri join the fight?
When the Haste spell ends on a creature, do attackers have advantage against that creature?
Is it ethical to give a final exam after the professor has quit before teaching the remaining chapters of the course?
Can you use the Shield Master feat to shove someone before you make an attack by using a Readied action?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?Can you move before using the bonus attack from the Great Weapon Master feat?Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?Does the Animated Shield count as wielded by me for the Shield Master Feat?Can you take a readied action in the middle of another character's action?With Polearm Mastery and Shield Mastery, can I attack an approaching monster, shove it with my shield, and get a second attack, all on its turn?Is the Shield Master shove the same as normal shoving other than the action timing?What happens if you can't use the action that allowed for your bonus action?Can you shove (Attack Action), attack (Extra Attack) and use Polearm Master's bonus action attack?Can the Shield Master feat's bonus-action shove be used to make an improvised weapon attack?If you have the Extra Attack feature, can you attack once, then ready your second attack as a grapple/shove?
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
$begingroup$
Can you perform a Ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then do your bonus action, and then complete your readied action?
For instance, say I have the Shield Master feat. I Ready the Attack action with the condition that the enemy is prone, then I take the bonus-action shove from Shield Master and knock him prone before I take my readied Attack action.
Is this a legal exploit to reverse the action order?
dnd-5e feats actions attack readied-action
New contributor
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Can you perform a Ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then do your bonus action, and then complete your readied action?
For instance, say I have the Shield Master feat. I Ready the Attack action with the condition that the enemy is prone, then I take the bonus-action shove from Shield Master and knock him prone before I take my readied Attack action.
Is this a legal exploit to reverse the action order?
dnd-5e feats actions attack readied-action
New contributor
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
Related: Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
31 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Can you perform a Ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then do your bonus action, and then complete your readied action?
For instance, say I have the Shield Master feat. I Ready the Attack action with the condition that the enemy is prone, then I take the bonus-action shove from Shield Master and knock him prone before I take my readied Attack action.
Is this a legal exploit to reverse the action order?
dnd-5e feats actions attack readied-action
New contributor
$endgroup$
Can you perform a Ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then do your bonus action, and then complete your readied action?
For instance, say I have the Shield Master feat. I Ready the Attack action with the condition that the enemy is prone, then I take the bonus-action shove from Shield Master and knock him prone before I take my readied Attack action.
Is this a legal exploit to reverse the action order?
dnd-5e feats actions attack readied-action
dnd-5e feats actions attack readied-action
New contributor
New contributor
edited 32 mins ago
V2Blast
27.5k597167
27.5k597167
New contributor
asked 5 hours ago
Amethyst WizardAmethyst Wizard
336
336
New contributor
New contributor
$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
Related: Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
31 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
Related: Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
31 mins ago
$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
Related: Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
31 mins ago
$begingroup$
Related: Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
31 mins ago
add a comment |
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
No, your Shield Master example won't work
Shield Master says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
If you take the Ready Action you are not taking the Attack action, even if you use it to attack.
you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn.
Only once the trigger occurs and your attack completes are you counted as having taken the Attack action.
Since you don't take the Attack action, you do not get a bonus action shove. Since you don't get a bonus action shove, you won't be able to trigger your Readied action.
So in the end, attempting this only results in a wasted action. It is still a valid way to phrase the Ready action, it will just always result in no trigger happening (unless the enemy becomes prone and right next to you still for some other reason before your next turn).
In general, you can use the results of a bonus action as a trigger for a Ready action
Though the above example didn't work, there is no reason that you cannot use the results of a bonus action to trigger a Ready action. For example, you can have say after "I cast this bonus action spell, do X" or "after I take my bonus action attack, do X". As long as you are able to do the bonus action in the first place (unlike with the Shield Master bonus action) and you can perceive it, then you can use it as a trigger.
Note that you can't just set a trigger off of "when I use my bonus action" because bonus actions are not a thing in-universe and thus it is not perceivable. The results or actual actions done with the bonus action are of course valid as described above.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are asking two different questions here.
Your first question is:
Can you perform a ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then you do your bonus action and then complete your action from your ready action?
And the answer is that yes, you can do that. However, you don't really get any benefit from that, since any bonus action you could take to trigger the action must be a bonus action you could take anyway. You're just as well off not readying an action, using your bonus action, and then just taking a normal action.
Your second question is:
Isn't this legal exploit to reverse the action order?
The Shield Master feat says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
Though you could ready an action to trigger off of the "try to shove... with your shield" bonus action, you would never actually get to use that reaction and will have effectively wasted your action.
The important text is "If you take the Attack action on your turn...". The Attack action is distinct from an attack and from a regular action. If you've readied an action, even if your readied action is to take the Attack action, then you still haven't taken the Attack action. Since you don't actually take the Attack action, your bonus action of "shove... with your shield" never takes place during your turn.
In this scenario, you do still get to attack if, after readying that action, an opponent somehow ends up both adjacent and prone to you. However, you will still lose the shield shove bonus action if this happens outside your turn.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
While your particular example won't work due to Shield Master's bash requiring the Attack action be taken first, you can indeed have a readied action trigger on your own turn off of an (otherwise valid) bonus action. Your reaction is available from the beginning of your turn, meaning you can trigger it before your turn is over.
The only limitation on readied action triggers is that they must be "perceivable circumstance[s]", there's nothing in that barring your bonus action from being the trigger.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It Could Destroy the Universe
This is a little like the time travel paradox of what would happen if a person traveling back in time caused themselves to never have traveled back in time in the first place.
Even if the Attack action were not distinct from a Ready action resulting in taking the Attack action, you would have a conundrum. The bonus actions made available by taking the attack action require it actually be taken. You would never be able to use the bonus action in the first place if the circumstances for the readied action fail to trigger.
In your example, failing to knock the enemy prone would result in never triggering the readied action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of your campaign world.
And yes, that's an absurd way of putting it, but the mechanical issue stands none the less. Things can't be used to trigger their own prerequisites unless success is absolutely certain.
It may well be that the logic of a bonus action not being able to come before an attack it depends on is based in a less convoluted version of its own logic. It is always possible that you will not actually take the prerequisite attack. If this is the case then this proposed exploit is just a roundabout way to get to the exact same original problem.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "122"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Amethyst Wizard is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f145382%2fcan-you-use-the-shield-master-feat-to-shove-someone-before-you-make-an-attack-by%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
No, your Shield Master example won't work
Shield Master says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
If you take the Ready Action you are not taking the Attack action, even if you use it to attack.
you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn.
Only once the trigger occurs and your attack completes are you counted as having taken the Attack action.
Since you don't take the Attack action, you do not get a bonus action shove. Since you don't get a bonus action shove, you won't be able to trigger your Readied action.
So in the end, attempting this only results in a wasted action. It is still a valid way to phrase the Ready action, it will just always result in no trigger happening (unless the enemy becomes prone and right next to you still for some other reason before your next turn).
In general, you can use the results of a bonus action as a trigger for a Ready action
Though the above example didn't work, there is no reason that you cannot use the results of a bonus action to trigger a Ready action. For example, you can have say after "I cast this bonus action spell, do X" or "after I take my bonus action attack, do X". As long as you are able to do the bonus action in the first place (unlike with the Shield Master bonus action) and you can perceive it, then you can use it as a trigger.
Note that you can't just set a trigger off of "when I use my bonus action" because bonus actions are not a thing in-universe and thus it is not perceivable. The results or actual actions done with the bonus action are of course valid as described above.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
No, your Shield Master example won't work
Shield Master says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
If you take the Ready Action you are not taking the Attack action, even if you use it to attack.
you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn.
Only once the trigger occurs and your attack completes are you counted as having taken the Attack action.
Since you don't take the Attack action, you do not get a bonus action shove. Since you don't get a bonus action shove, you won't be able to trigger your Readied action.
So in the end, attempting this only results in a wasted action. It is still a valid way to phrase the Ready action, it will just always result in no trigger happening (unless the enemy becomes prone and right next to you still for some other reason before your next turn).
In general, you can use the results of a bonus action as a trigger for a Ready action
Though the above example didn't work, there is no reason that you cannot use the results of a bonus action to trigger a Ready action. For example, you can have say after "I cast this bonus action spell, do X" or "after I take my bonus action attack, do X". As long as you are able to do the bonus action in the first place (unlike with the Shield Master bonus action) and you can perceive it, then you can use it as a trigger.
Note that you can't just set a trigger off of "when I use my bonus action" because bonus actions are not a thing in-universe and thus it is not perceivable. The results or actual actions done with the bonus action are of course valid as described above.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
No, your Shield Master example won't work
Shield Master says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
If you take the Ready Action you are not taking the Attack action, even if you use it to attack.
you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn.
Only once the trigger occurs and your attack completes are you counted as having taken the Attack action.
Since you don't take the Attack action, you do not get a bonus action shove. Since you don't get a bonus action shove, you won't be able to trigger your Readied action.
So in the end, attempting this only results in a wasted action. It is still a valid way to phrase the Ready action, it will just always result in no trigger happening (unless the enemy becomes prone and right next to you still for some other reason before your next turn).
In general, you can use the results of a bonus action as a trigger for a Ready action
Though the above example didn't work, there is no reason that you cannot use the results of a bonus action to trigger a Ready action. For example, you can have say after "I cast this bonus action spell, do X" or "after I take my bonus action attack, do X". As long as you are able to do the bonus action in the first place (unlike with the Shield Master bonus action) and you can perceive it, then you can use it as a trigger.
Note that you can't just set a trigger off of "when I use my bonus action" because bonus actions are not a thing in-universe and thus it is not perceivable. The results or actual actions done with the bonus action are of course valid as described above.
$endgroup$
No, your Shield Master example won't work
Shield Master says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
If you take the Ready Action you are not taking the Attack action, even if you use it to attack.
you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn.
Only once the trigger occurs and your attack completes are you counted as having taken the Attack action.
Since you don't take the Attack action, you do not get a bonus action shove. Since you don't get a bonus action shove, you won't be able to trigger your Readied action.
So in the end, attempting this only results in a wasted action. It is still a valid way to phrase the Ready action, it will just always result in no trigger happening (unless the enemy becomes prone and right next to you still for some other reason before your next turn).
In general, you can use the results of a bonus action as a trigger for a Ready action
Though the above example didn't work, there is no reason that you cannot use the results of a bonus action to trigger a Ready action. For example, you can have say after "I cast this bonus action spell, do X" or "after I take my bonus action attack, do X". As long as you are able to do the bonus action in the first place (unlike with the Shield Master bonus action) and you can perceive it, then you can use it as a trigger.
Note that you can't just set a trigger off of "when I use my bonus action" because bonus actions are not a thing in-universe and thus it is not perceivable. The results or actual actions done with the bonus action are of course valid as described above.
edited 4 hours ago
answered 5 hours ago
RubiksmooseRubiksmoose
61.7k10296453
61.7k10296453
1
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Aside from this, failing to knock them prone would result in never triggering the held action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of their campaign world.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are asking two different questions here.
Your first question is:
Can you perform a ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then you do your bonus action and then complete your action from your ready action?
And the answer is that yes, you can do that. However, you don't really get any benefit from that, since any bonus action you could take to trigger the action must be a bonus action you could take anyway. You're just as well off not readying an action, using your bonus action, and then just taking a normal action.
Your second question is:
Isn't this legal exploit to reverse the action order?
The Shield Master feat says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
Though you could ready an action to trigger off of the "try to shove... with your shield" bonus action, you would never actually get to use that reaction and will have effectively wasted your action.
The important text is "If you take the Attack action on your turn...". The Attack action is distinct from an attack and from a regular action. If you've readied an action, even if your readied action is to take the Attack action, then you still haven't taken the Attack action. Since you don't actually take the Attack action, your bonus action of "shove... with your shield" never takes place during your turn.
In this scenario, you do still get to attack if, after readying that action, an opponent somehow ends up both adjacent and prone to you. However, you will still lose the shield shove bonus action if this happens outside your turn.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are asking two different questions here.
Your first question is:
Can you perform a ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then you do your bonus action and then complete your action from your ready action?
And the answer is that yes, you can do that. However, you don't really get any benefit from that, since any bonus action you could take to trigger the action must be a bonus action you could take anyway. You're just as well off not readying an action, using your bonus action, and then just taking a normal action.
Your second question is:
Isn't this legal exploit to reverse the action order?
The Shield Master feat says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
Though you could ready an action to trigger off of the "try to shove... with your shield" bonus action, you would never actually get to use that reaction and will have effectively wasted your action.
The important text is "If you take the Attack action on your turn...". The Attack action is distinct from an attack and from a regular action. If you've readied an action, even if your readied action is to take the Attack action, then you still haven't taken the Attack action. Since you don't actually take the Attack action, your bonus action of "shove... with your shield" never takes place during your turn.
In this scenario, you do still get to attack if, after readying that action, an opponent somehow ends up both adjacent and prone to you. However, you will still lose the shield shove bonus action if this happens outside your turn.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are asking two different questions here.
Your first question is:
Can you perform a ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then you do your bonus action and then complete your action from your ready action?
And the answer is that yes, you can do that. However, you don't really get any benefit from that, since any bonus action you could take to trigger the action must be a bonus action you could take anyway. You're just as well off not readying an action, using your bonus action, and then just taking a normal action.
Your second question is:
Isn't this legal exploit to reverse the action order?
The Shield Master feat says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
Though you could ready an action to trigger off of the "try to shove... with your shield" bonus action, you would never actually get to use that reaction and will have effectively wasted your action.
The important text is "If you take the Attack action on your turn...". The Attack action is distinct from an attack and from a regular action. If you've readied an action, even if your readied action is to take the Attack action, then you still haven't taken the Attack action. Since you don't actually take the Attack action, your bonus action of "shove... with your shield" never takes place during your turn.
In this scenario, you do still get to attack if, after readying that action, an opponent somehow ends up both adjacent and prone to you. However, you will still lose the shield shove bonus action if this happens outside your turn.
$endgroup$
You are asking two different questions here.
Your first question is:
Can you perform a ready action with the condition being that you complete your bonus action, then you do your bonus action and then complete your action from your ready action?
And the answer is that yes, you can do that. However, you don't really get any benefit from that, since any bonus action you could take to trigger the action must be a bonus action you could take anyway. You're just as well off not readying an action, using your bonus action, and then just taking a normal action.
Your second question is:
Isn't this legal exploit to reverse the action order?
The Shield Master feat says:
If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.
Though you could ready an action to trigger off of the "try to shove... with your shield" bonus action, you would never actually get to use that reaction and will have effectively wasted your action.
The important text is "If you take the Attack action on your turn...". The Attack action is distinct from an attack and from a regular action. If you've readied an action, even if your readied action is to take the Attack action, then you still haven't taken the Attack action. Since you don't actually take the Attack action, your bonus action of "shove... with your shield" never takes place during your turn.
In this scenario, you do still get to attack if, after readying that action, an opponent somehow ends up both adjacent and prone to you. However, you will still lose the shield shove bonus action if this happens outside your turn.
answered 5 hours ago
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
1,586313
1,586313
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
While your particular example won't work due to Shield Master's bash requiring the Attack action be taken first, you can indeed have a readied action trigger on your own turn off of an (otherwise valid) bonus action. Your reaction is available from the beginning of your turn, meaning you can trigger it before your turn is over.
The only limitation on readied action triggers is that they must be "perceivable circumstance[s]", there's nothing in that barring your bonus action from being the trigger.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
While your particular example won't work due to Shield Master's bash requiring the Attack action be taken first, you can indeed have a readied action trigger on your own turn off of an (otherwise valid) bonus action. Your reaction is available from the beginning of your turn, meaning you can trigger it before your turn is over.
The only limitation on readied action triggers is that they must be "perceivable circumstance[s]", there's nothing in that barring your bonus action from being the trigger.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
While your particular example won't work due to Shield Master's bash requiring the Attack action be taken first, you can indeed have a readied action trigger on your own turn off of an (otherwise valid) bonus action. Your reaction is available from the beginning of your turn, meaning you can trigger it before your turn is over.
The only limitation on readied action triggers is that they must be "perceivable circumstance[s]", there's nothing in that barring your bonus action from being the trigger.
$endgroup$
While your particular example won't work due to Shield Master's bash requiring the Attack action be taken first, you can indeed have a readied action trigger on your own turn off of an (otherwise valid) bonus action. Your reaction is available from the beginning of your turn, meaning you can trigger it before your turn is over.
The only limitation on readied action triggers is that they must be "perceivable circumstance[s]", there's nothing in that barring your bonus action from being the trigger.
answered 5 hours ago
mechmech
1,7701319
1,7701319
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It Could Destroy the Universe
This is a little like the time travel paradox of what would happen if a person traveling back in time caused themselves to never have traveled back in time in the first place.
Even if the Attack action were not distinct from a Ready action resulting in taking the Attack action, you would have a conundrum. The bonus actions made available by taking the attack action require it actually be taken. You would never be able to use the bonus action in the first place if the circumstances for the readied action fail to trigger.
In your example, failing to knock the enemy prone would result in never triggering the readied action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of your campaign world.
And yes, that's an absurd way of putting it, but the mechanical issue stands none the less. Things can't be used to trigger their own prerequisites unless success is absolutely certain.
It may well be that the logic of a bonus action not being able to come before an attack it depends on is based in a less convoluted version of its own logic. It is always possible that you will not actually take the prerequisite attack. If this is the case then this proposed exploit is just a roundabout way to get to the exact same original problem.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It Could Destroy the Universe
This is a little like the time travel paradox of what would happen if a person traveling back in time caused themselves to never have traveled back in time in the first place.
Even if the Attack action were not distinct from a Ready action resulting in taking the Attack action, you would have a conundrum. The bonus actions made available by taking the attack action require it actually be taken. You would never be able to use the bonus action in the first place if the circumstances for the readied action fail to trigger.
In your example, failing to knock the enemy prone would result in never triggering the readied action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of your campaign world.
And yes, that's an absurd way of putting it, but the mechanical issue stands none the less. Things can't be used to trigger their own prerequisites unless success is absolutely certain.
It may well be that the logic of a bonus action not being able to come before an attack it depends on is based in a less convoluted version of its own logic. It is always possible that you will not actually take the prerequisite attack. If this is the case then this proposed exploit is just a roundabout way to get to the exact same original problem.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It Could Destroy the Universe
This is a little like the time travel paradox of what would happen if a person traveling back in time caused themselves to never have traveled back in time in the first place.
Even if the Attack action were not distinct from a Ready action resulting in taking the Attack action, you would have a conundrum. The bonus actions made available by taking the attack action require it actually be taken. You would never be able to use the bonus action in the first place if the circumstances for the readied action fail to trigger.
In your example, failing to knock the enemy prone would result in never triggering the readied action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of your campaign world.
And yes, that's an absurd way of putting it, but the mechanical issue stands none the less. Things can't be used to trigger their own prerequisites unless success is absolutely certain.
It may well be that the logic of a bonus action not being able to come before an attack it depends on is based in a less convoluted version of its own logic. It is always possible that you will not actually take the prerequisite attack. If this is the case then this proposed exploit is just a roundabout way to get to the exact same original problem.
$endgroup$
It Could Destroy the Universe
This is a little like the time travel paradox of what would happen if a person traveling back in time caused themselves to never have traveled back in time in the first place.
Even if the Attack action were not distinct from a Ready action resulting in taking the Attack action, you would have a conundrum. The bonus actions made available by taking the attack action require it actually be taken. You would never be able to use the bonus action in the first place if the circumstances for the readied action fail to trigger.
In your example, failing to knock the enemy prone would result in never triggering the readied action, never getting the bonus action shove, and thus never being able to try to knock them prone to begin with. Naturally this would destroy the space-time continuum of your campaign world.
And yes, that's an absurd way of putting it, but the mechanical issue stands none the less. Things can't be used to trigger their own prerequisites unless success is absolutely certain.
It may well be that the logic of a bonus action not being able to come before an attack it depends on is based in a less convoluted version of its own logic. It is always possible that you will not actually take the prerequisite attack. If this is the case then this proposed exploit is just a roundabout way to get to the exact same original problem.
edited 4 hours ago
answered 5 hours ago
Benjamin OlsonBenjamin Olson
86717
86717
add a comment |
add a comment |
Amethyst Wizard is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Amethyst Wizard is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Amethyst Wizard is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Amethyst Wizard is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f145382%2fcan-you-use-the-shield-master-feat-to-shove-someone-before-you-make-an-attack-by%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
Related: Shield Master - Can the shield push be taken before an attack?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
31 mins ago