If I cast the Enlarge/Reduce spell on an arrow, what weapon could it count as?Recovering ammunition (bolts, etc.) in NumeneraCrossbows or bows: which is better for sneak attack archery and why?What happens if an archer picks up ammunition after coming under the effects of Enlarge Person?Can Lightning Arrow and Conjure Barrage be combined?How much cover does Wall of Stone give against a dragon's breath weapon if arrow slits are included in the wall?Can a Gargantuan Object that is divided into parts be Animated as distinct parts?Can I cast a spell as a reaction when a creature enters the reach of my quarterstaff if I have the Polearm Master and War Caster feats?Can I grapple an enemy, then jump with them and land on them to do crushing damage outside of falling damage?Will this arrow fly 4800 ft?Does Confusion cast via the Dreadful Word invocation count as a warlock spell?

Would storms on an ocean world harm the marine life?

Homology of the fiber

Writing in a Christian voice

Pre-Employment Background Check With Consent For Future Checks

Do native speakers use "ultima" and "proxima" frequently in spoken English?

How to remove space in section title at KOMA-Script

is this saw blade faulty?

Print last inputted byte

Someone scrambled my calling sign- who am I?

Can other pieces capture a threatening piece and prevent a checkmate?

Does fire aspect on a sword, destroy mob drops?

Air travel with refrigerated insulin

How to balance a monster modification (zombie)?

Print a physical multiplication table

How can I query the supported timezones in Apex?

Animating wave motion in water

Why are there no stars visible in cislunar space?

10 year ban after applying for a UK student visa

What is the difference between something being completely legal and being completely decriminalized?

Jem'Hadar, something strange about their life expectancy

When did hardware antialiasing start being available?

Why didn't Héctor fade away after this character died in the movie Coco?

Emojional cryptic crossword

Exit shell with shortcut (not typing exit) that closes session properly



If I cast the Enlarge/Reduce spell on an arrow, what weapon could it count as?


Recovering ammunition (bolts, etc.) in NumeneraCrossbows or bows: which is better for sneak attack archery and why?What happens if an archer picks up ammunition after coming under the effects of Enlarge Person?Can Lightning Arrow and Conjure Barrage be combined?How much cover does Wall of Stone give against a dragon's breath weapon if arrow slits are included in the wall?Can a Gargantuan Object that is divided into parts be Animated as distinct parts?Can I cast a spell as a reaction when a creature enters the reach of my quarterstaff if I have the Polearm Master and War Caster feats?Can I grapple an enemy, then jump with them and land on them to do crushing damage outside of falling damage?Will this arrow fly 4800 ft?Does Confusion cast via the Dreadful Word invocation count as a warlock spell?













13












$begingroup$


If I (as a player character) cast the enlarge/reduce spell on an arrow, what weapon could it count as? Would it be a spear, pike, or staff if enlarged, and a dart, crossbow bolt, or just a twig if shrunk? Note that I do not mean a midflight arrow.










share|improve this question









New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.







$endgroup$







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Are you trying to weild it like a spear/ pike, or are you casting enlarge midflight...? Start with what you are trying to accomplish and go from there.
    $endgroup$
    – Tyler Gubala
    7 hours ago






  • 8




    $begingroup$
    @BenjaminOlson most of that comment reads like an answer. You should leave it as an answer, rather than a comment.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @DavidCoffron Fair point. I was intending to find out what sort of answer the asker was looking for before going into detail, but got a little off-track. Mostly I'm wondering whether the desired answer should be based more around game stats or more around real world weaponry.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin Olson
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    22 mins ago















13












$begingroup$


If I (as a player character) cast the enlarge/reduce spell on an arrow, what weapon could it count as? Would it be a spear, pike, or staff if enlarged, and a dart, crossbow bolt, or just a twig if shrunk? Note that I do not mean a midflight arrow.










share|improve this question









New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.







$endgroup$







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Are you trying to weild it like a spear/ pike, or are you casting enlarge midflight...? Start with what you are trying to accomplish and go from there.
    $endgroup$
    – Tyler Gubala
    7 hours ago






  • 8




    $begingroup$
    @BenjaminOlson most of that comment reads like an answer. You should leave it as an answer, rather than a comment.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @DavidCoffron Fair point. I was intending to find out what sort of answer the asker was looking for before going into detail, but got a little off-track. Mostly I'm wondering whether the desired answer should be based more around game stats or more around real world weaponry.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin Olson
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    22 mins ago













13












13








13


1



$begingroup$


If I (as a player character) cast the enlarge/reduce spell on an arrow, what weapon could it count as? Would it be a spear, pike, or staff if enlarged, and a dart, crossbow bolt, or just a twig if shrunk? Note that I do not mean a midflight arrow.










share|improve this question









New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.







$endgroup$




If I (as a player character) cast the enlarge/reduce spell on an arrow, what weapon could it count as? Would it be a spear, pike, or staff if enlarged, and a dart, crossbow bolt, or just a twig if shrunk? Note that I do not mean a midflight arrow.







dnd-5e spells ranged-attack objects






share|improve this question









New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











share|improve this question









New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 21 mins ago









V2Blast

25k383155




25k383155






New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









asked 7 hours ago









Wes21arctic Wes21arctic

713




713




New contributor




Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.





New contributor





Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






Wes21arctic is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Are you trying to weild it like a spear/ pike, or are you casting enlarge midflight...? Start with what you are trying to accomplish and go from there.
    $endgroup$
    – Tyler Gubala
    7 hours ago






  • 8




    $begingroup$
    @BenjaminOlson most of that comment reads like an answer. You should leave it as an answer, rather than a comment.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @DavidCoffron Fair point. I was intending to find out what sort of answer the asker was looking for before going into detail, but got a little off-track. Mostly I'm wondering whether the desired answer should be based more around game stats or more around real world weaponry.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin Olson
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    22 mins ago












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Are you trying to weild it like a spear/ pike, or are you casting enlarge midflight...? Start with what you are trying to accomplish and go from there.
    $endgroup$
    – Tyler Gubala
    7 hours ago






  • 8




    $begingroup$
    @BenjaminOlson most of that comment reads like an answer. You should leave it as an answer, rather than a comment.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @DavidCoffron Fair point. I was intending to find out what sort of answer the asker was looking for before going into detail, but got a little off-track. Mostly I'm wondering whether the desired answer should be based more around game stats or more around real world weaponry.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin Olson
    7 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    22 mins ago







1




1




$begingroup$
Are you trying to weild it like a spear/ pike, or are you casting enlarge midflight...? Start with what you are trying to accomplish and go from there.
$endgroup$
– Tyler Gubala
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
Are you trying to weild it like a spear/ pike, or are you casting enlarge midflight...? Start with what you are trying to accomplish and go from there.
$endgroup$
– Tyler Gubala
7 hours ago




8




8




$begingroup$
@BenjaminOlson most of that comment reads like an answer. You should leave it as an answer, rather than a comment.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
@BenjaminOlson most of that comment reads like an answer. You should leave it as an answer, rather than a comment.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
7 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
@DavidCoffron Fair point. I was intending to find out what sort of answer the asker was looking for before going into detail, but got a little off-track. Mostly I'm wondering whether the desired answer should be based more around game stats or more around real world weaponry.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
@DavidCoffron Fair point. I was intending to find out what sort of answer the asker was looking for before going into detail, but got a little off-track. Mostly I'm wondering whether the desired answer should be based more around game stats or more around real world weaponry.
$endgroup$
– Benjamin Olson
7 hours ago












$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
22 mins ago




$begingroup$
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
22 mins ago










2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes


















9












$begingroup$

Ammunition unusable, it becomes an improvised weapon



If you were to enlarge/reduce an arrow, it would no longer be ammunition that would fit in your standard bow. It would be either too big or too small to use normally.



That makes using this object to make an attack an Improvised Weapon (emphasis mine).




Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.




However, do note that Enlarge/Reduce does make some big changes to the object:




Enlarge. The target's size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight.



Reduce. The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.




It will be up to the DM as to whether or not they think an enlarged or reduced arrow is similar enough to an existing weapon (including size and weight differences/similarities) and what weapon that may be. Whatever the DM decides is reasonable, but if they decide it doesn't closely resemble another weapon, then it just reverts to:




An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage (the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object).




But given that potentially similar items like a javelin or spear are both the same damage die (1d6), I'm not sure the specificity matters if your DM feels that they apply (even with the size/weight issues.)






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$




















    4












    $begingroup$

    The spell's text isn't specific on that



    While the spell allows you to enlarge an object, it doesn't provide a lot of explanation of what happens when one does that. You can, however, come up with a ruling (or agree on one with your DM) that fits with how weapons on an enlarged creature are affected.




    Enlarge. The target’s size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight. This growth increases its size by one category—from Medium to Large, for example. If there isn’t enough room for the target to double its size, the creature or object attains the maximum possible size in the space available. Until the spell ends, the target also has advantage on Strength Checks and Strength Saving Throws. The target’s Weapons also grow to match its new size. While these Weapons are enlarged, the target’s attacks with them deal 1d4 extra damage.




    Proposed ruling (with caveats)



    For your javelin, when you enlarge it, and while it is under the effect of that spell, using the above guideline means that it would do 1d6 + 1d4 damage.



    For your spear, if you wield it two handed, it would do 1d8 + 1d4 damage.



    Given the text above I'd recommend making the spear "heavy" in this case. The "it's weight is multiplied by 8" is a rather significant change. Granted, the above text is "increase size of a creature" so you don't have to enlarge the weapon by that amount.



    From the weapons table (Basic Rules, p. 48)

    Spear weighs 8 pounds. (Tripling that would be 24 pounds!)

    Pike weighs 18 pounds. (And it has heavy property)



    For your arrow, multiplying the weight by 8 likely makes it unusable with the bow you are usually using. It would likely fall into a (light) javelin's weight range, but that's a kludge. The equipment list has each arrow weighing 1/20th of a pound (Basic Rules, p. 50) which would make it 8/20ths of a pound or about 1/5th the weight of a javelin. We once again see how, for equipment, this wasn't given the kind of attention that creature enlargement was.



    Playtest this



    When modifying a game feature like that, particularly one where the devs didn't apply a lot of detail to the game as delivered, you are likely to trip over some oddness (see the weight thing) and thus need to tailor it to make sense to you.






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$












      Your Answer





      StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
      return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
      StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
      StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["\$", "\$"]]);
      );
      );
      , "mathjax-editing");

      StackExchange.ready(function()
      var channelOptions =
      tags: "".split(" "),
      id: "122"
      ;
      initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

      StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
      // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
      if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
      StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
      createEditor();
      );

      else
      createEditor();

      );

      function createEditor()
      StackExchange.prepareEditor(
      heartbeatType: 'answer',
      autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
      convertImagesToLinks: false,
      noModals: true,
      showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
      reputationToPostImages: null,
      bindNavPrevention: true,
      postfix: "",
      imageUploader:
      brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
      contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
      allowUrls: true
      ,
      noCode: true, onDemand: true,
      discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
      ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
      );



      );






      Wes21arctic is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.









      draft saved

      draft discarded


















      StackExchange.ready(
      function ()
      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f143385%2fif-i-cast-the-enlarge-reduce-spell-on-an-arrow-what-weapon-could-it-count-as%23new-answer', 'question_page');

      );

      Post as a guest















      Required, but never shown

























      2 Answers
      2






      active

      oldest

      votes








      2 Answers
      2






      active

      oldest

      votes









      active

      oldest

      votes






      active

      oldest

      votes









      9












      $begingroup$

      Ammunition unusable, it becomes an improvised weapon



      If you were to enlarge/reduce an arrow, it would no longer be ammunition that would fit in your standard bow. It would be either too big or too small to use normally.



      That makes using this object to make an attack an Improvised Weapon (emphasis mine).




      Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.




      However, do note that Enlarge/Reduce does make some big changes to the object:




      Enlarge. The target's size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight.



      Reduce. The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.




      It will be up to the DM as to whether or not they think an enlarged or reduced arrow is similar enough to an existing weapon (including size and weight differences/similarities) and what weapon that may be. Whatever the DM decides is reasonable, but if they decide it doesn't closely resemble another weapon, then it just reverts to:




      An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage (the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object).




      But given that potentially similar items like a javelin or spear are both the same damage die (1d6), I'm not sure the specificity matters if your DM feels that they apply (even with the size/weight issues.)






      share|improve this answer











      $endgroup$

















        9












        $begingroup$

        Ammunition unusable, it becomes an improvised weapon



        If you were to enlarge/reduce an arrow, it would no longer be ammunition that would fit in your standard bow. It would be either too big or too small to use normally.



        That makes using this object to make an attack an Improvised Weapon (emphasis mine).




        Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.




        However, do note that Enlarge/Reduce does make some big changes to the object:




        Enlarge. The target's size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight.



        Reduce. The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.




        It will be up to the DM as to whether or not they think an enlarged or reduced arrow is similar enough to an existing weapon (including size and weight differences/similarities) and what weapon that may be. Whatever the DM decides is reasonable, but if they decide it doesn't closely resemble another weapon, then it just reverts to:




        An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage (the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object).




        But given that potentially similar items like a javelin or spear are both the same damage die (1d6), I'm not sure the specificity matters if your DM feels that they apply (even with the size/weight issues.)






        share|improve this answer











        $endgroup$















          9












          9








          9





          $begingroup$

          Ammunition unusable, it becomes an improvised weapon



          If you were to enlarge/reduce an arrow, it would no longer be ammunition that would fit in your standard bow. It would be either too big or too small to use normally.



          That makes using this object to make an attack an Improvised Weapon (emphasis mine).




          Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.




          However, do note that Enlarge/Reduce does make some big changes to the object:




          Enlarge. The target's size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight.



          Reduce. The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.




          It will be up to the DM as to whether or not they think an enlarged or reduced arrow is similar enough to an existing weapon (including size and weight differences/similarities) and what weapon that may be. Whatever the DM decides is reasonable, but if they decide it doesn't closely resemble another weapon, then it just reverts to:




          An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage (the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object).




          But given that potentially similar items like a javelin or spear are both the same damage die (1d6), I'm not sure the specificity matters if your DM feels that they apply (even with the size/weight issues.)






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Ammunition unusable, it becomes an improvised weapon



          If you were to enlarge/reduce an arrow, it would no longer be ammunition that would fit in your standard bow. It would be either too big or too small to use normally.



          That makes using this object to make an attack an Improvised Weapon (emphasis mine).




          Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.




          However, do note that Enlarge/Reduce does make some big changes to the object:




          Enlarge. The target's size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight.



          Reduce. The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.




          It will be up to the DM as to whether or not they think an enlarged or reduced arrow is similar enough to an existing weapon (including size and weight differences/similarities) and what weapon that may be. Whatever the DM decides is reasonable, but if they decide it doesn't closely resemble another weapon, then it just reverts to:




          An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage (the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object).




          But given that potentially similar items like a javelin or spear are both the same damage die (1d6), I'm not sure the specificity matters if your DM feels that they apply (even with the size/weight issues.)







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited 3 hours ago

























          answered 6 hours ago









          NautArchNautArch

          60k8215399




          60k8215399























              4












              $begingroup$

              The spell's text isn't specific on that



              While the spell allows you to enlarge an object, it doesn't provide a lot of explanation of what happens when one does that. You can, however, come up with a ruling (or agree on one with your DM) that fits with how weapons on an enlarged creature are affected.




              Enlarge. The target’s size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight. This growth increases its size by one category—from Medium to Large, for example. If there isn’t enough room for the target to double its size, the creature or object attains the maximum possible size in the space available. Until the spell ends, the target also has advantage on Strength Checks and Strength Saving Throws. The target’s Weapons also grow to match its new size. While these Weapons are enlarged, the target’s attacks with them deal 1d4 extra damage.




              Proposed ruling (with caveats)



              For your javelin, when you enlarge it, and while it is under the effect of that spell, using the above guideline means that it would do 1d6 + 1d4 damage.



              For your spear, if you wield it two handed, it would do 1d8 + 1d4 damage.



              Given the text above I'd recommend making the spear "heavy" in this case. The "it's weight is multiplied by 8" is a rather significant change. Granted, the above text is "increase size of a creature" so you don't have to enlarge the weapon by that amount.



              From the weapons table (Basic Rules, p. 48)

              Spear weighs 8 pounds. (Tripling that would be 24 pounds!)

              Pike weighs 18 pounds. (And it has heavy property)



              For your arrow, multiplying the weight by 8 likely makes it unusable with the bow you are usually using. It would likely fall into a (light) javelin's weight range, but that's a kludge. The equipment list has each arrow weighing 1/20th of a pound (Basic Rules, p. 50) which would make it 8/20ths of a pound or about 1/5th the weight of a javelin. We once again see how, for equipment, this wasn't given the kind of attention that creature enlargement was.



              Playtest this



              When modifying a game feature like that, particularly one where the devs didn't apply a lot of detail to the game as delivered, you are likely to trip over some oddness (see the weight thing) and thus need to tailor it to make sense to you.






              share|improve this answer











              $endgroup$

















                4












                $begingroup$

                The spell's text isn't specific on that



                While the spell allows you to enlarge an object, it doesn't provide a lot of explanation of what happens when one does that. You can, however, come up with a ruling (or agree on one with your DM) that fits with how weapons on an enlarged creature are affected.




                Enlarge. The target’s size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight. This growth increases its size by one category—from Medium to Large, for example. If there isn’t enough room for the target to double its size, the creature or object attains the maximum possible size in the space available. Until the spell ends, the target also has advantage on Strength Checks and Strength Saving Throws. The target’s Weapons also grow to match its new size. While these Weapons are enlarged, the target’s attacks with them deal 1d4 extra damage.




                Proposed ruling (with caveats)



                For your javelin, when you enlarge it, and while it is under the effect of that spell, using the above guideline means that it would do 1d6 + 1d4 damage.



                For your spear, if you wield it two handed, it would do 1d8 + 1d4 damage.



                Given the text above I'd recommend making the spear "heavy" in this case. The "it's weight is multiplied by 8" is a rather significant change. Granted, the above text is "increase size of a creature" so you don't have to enlarge the weapon by that amount.



                From the weapons table (Basic Rules, p. 48)

                Spear weighs 8 pounds. (Tripling that would be 24 pounds!)

                Pike weighs 18 pounds. (And it has heavy property)



                For your arrow, multiplying the weight by 8 likely makes it unusable with the bow you are usually using. It would likely fall into a (light) javelin's weight range, but that's a kludge. The equipment list has each arrow weighing 1/20th of a pound (Basic Rules, p. 50) which would make it 8/20ths of a pound or about 1/5th the weight of a javelin. We once again see how, for equipment, this wasn't given the kind of attention that creature enlargement was.



                Playtest this



                When modifying a game feature like that, particularly one where the devs didn't apply a lot of detail to the game as delivered, you are likely to trip over some oddness (see the weight thing) and thus need to tailor it to make sense to you.






                share|improve this answer











                $endgroup$















                  4












                  4








                  4





                  $begingroup$

                  The spell's text isn't specific on that



                  While the spell allows you to enlarge an object, it doesn't provide a lot of explanation of what happens when one does that. You can, however, come up with a ruling (or agree on one with your DM) that fits with how weapons on an enlarged creature are affected.




                  Enlarge. The target’s size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight. This growth increases its size by one category—from Medium to Large, for example. If there isn’t enough room for the target to double its size, the creature or object attains the maximum possible size in the space available. Until the spell ends, the target also has advantage on Strength Checks and Strength Saving Throws. The target’s Weapons also grow to match its new size. While these Weapons are enlarged, the target’s attacks with them deal 1d4 extra damage.




                  Proposed ruling (with caveats)



                  For your javelin, when you enlarge it, and while it is under the effect of that spell, using the above guideline means that it would do 1d6 + 1d4 damage.



                  For your spear, if you wield it two handed, it would do 1d8 + 1d4 damage.



                  Given the text above I'd recommend making the spear "heavy" in this case. The "it's weight is multiplied by 8" is a rather significant change. Granted, the above text is "increase size of a creature" so you don't have to enlarge the weapon by that amount.



                  From the weapons table (Basic Rules, p. 48)

                  Spear weighs 8 pounds. (Tripling that would be 24 pounds!)

                  Pike weighs 18 pounds. (And it has heavy property)



                  For your arrow, multiplying the weight by 8 likely makes it unusable with the bow you are usually using. It would likely fall into a (light) javelin's weight range, but that's a kludge. The equipment list has each arrow weighing 1/20th of a pound (Basic Rules, p. 50) which would make it 8/20ths of a pound or about 1/5th the weight of a javelin. We once again see how, for equipment, this wasn't given the kind of attention that creature enlargement was.



                  Playtest this



                  When modifying a game feature like that, particularly one where the devs didn't apply a lot of detail to the game as delivered, you are likely to trip over some oddness (see the weight thing) and thus need to tailor it to make sense to you.






                  share|improve this answer











                  $endgroup$



                  The spell's text isn't specific on that



                  While the spell allows you to enlarge an object, it doesn't provide a lot of explanation of what happens when one does that. You can, however, come up with a ruling (or agree on one with your DM) that fits with how weapons on an enlarged creature are affected.




                  Enlarge. The target’s size doubles in all dimensions, and its weight is multiplied by eight. This growth increases its size by one category—from Medium to Large, for example. If there isn’t enough room for the target to double its size, the creature or object attains the maximum possible size in the space available. Until the spell ends, the target also has advantage on Strength Checks and Strength Saving Throws. The target’s Weapons also grow to match its new size. While these Weapons are enlarged, the target’s attacks with them deal 1d4 extra damage.




                  Proposed ruling (with caveats)



                  For your javelin, when you enlarge it, and while it is under the effect of that spell, using the above guideline means that it would do 1d6 + 1d4 damage.



                  For your spear, if you wield it two handed, it would do 1d8 + 1d4 damage.



                  Given the text above I'd recommend making the spear "heavy" in this case. The "it's weight is multiplied by 8" is a rather significant change. Granted, the above text is "increase size of a creature" so you don't have to enlarge the weapon by that amount.



                  From the weapons table (Basic Rules, p. 48)

                  Spear weighs 8 pounds. (Tripling that would be 24 pounds!)

                  Pike weighs 18 pounds. (And it has heavy property)



                  For your arrow, multiplying the weight by 8 likely makes it unusable with the bow you are usually using. It would likely fall into a (light) javelin's weight range, but that's a kludge. The equipment list has each arrow weighing 1/20th of a pound (Basic Rules, p. 50) which would make it 8/20ths of a pound or about 1/5th the weight of a javelin. We once again see how, for equipment, this wasn't given the kind of attention that creature enlargement was.



                  Playtest this



                  When modifying a game feature like that, particularly one where the devs didn't apply a lot of detail to the game as delivered, you are likely to trip over some oddness (see the weight thing) and thus need to tailor it to make sense to you.







                  share|improve this answer














                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer








                  edited 3 hours ago

























                  answered 6 hours ago









                  KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast

                  81.7k19256441




                  81.7k19256441




















                      Wes21arctic is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.









                      draft saved

                      draft discarded


















                      Wes21arctic is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.












                      Wes21arctic is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.











                      Wes21arctic is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.














                      Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


                      • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                      But avoid


                      • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                      • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

                      Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


                      To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                      draft saved


                      draft discarded














                      StackExchange.ready(
                      function ()
                      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f143385%2fif-i-cast-the-enlarge-reduce-spell-on-an-arrow-what-weapon-could-it-count-as%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                      );

                      Post as a guest















                      Required, but never shown





















































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown

































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown







                      Popular posts from this blog

                      Dapidodigma demeter Subspecies | Notae | Tabula navigationisDapidodigmaAfrotropical Butterflies: Lycaenidae - Subtribe IolainaAmplifica

                      Constantinus Vanšenkin Nexus externi | Tabula navigationisБольшая российская энциклопедияAmplifica

                      Gaius Norbanus Flaccus (consul 38 a.C.n.) Index De gente | De cursu honorum | Notae | Fontes | Si vis plura legere | Tabula navigationisHic legere potes