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Problem of parity - Can we draw a closed path made up of 20 line segments…
What am I getting for Christmas? Secret Santa and Graph theoryReturn of the lost ant 3DVariation of the opaque forest problem (a.k.a farmyard problem)A closed path is made up of 11 line segments. Can one line, not containing a vertex of the path, intersect each of its segments?Connecting $1997$ points in the plane- what am I missing?How many paths are there from point P to point Q if each step has to go closer to point Q.A problem involving divisibility , parity and extremely clever thinkingHow to go out from a circular forest if we are lost? Not the straight line?Does finding the line of tightest packing in a packing problem help?Cover the plane with closed disks
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Can we draw a closed path made up of 20 line segments, each of which intersects exactly one of the other segments?
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David G. Stork's example with $18$ points and edges can easily be changed into an example with $10$ points and edges based on a pentagon inside another pentagon with alternating links. So take two of those $10$ solutions, one inside the other, and then join them appropriately to get something like this with $20$ points and edges.
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
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– John Hughes
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
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(I assume there can be no crossings at vertices or corners.)
Here is one solution for $18$ (and @Henry, below, generalizes to $20$):
Since each segment is crossed by exactly one other segment, we can think of the problem as having 10 Xs that have to be linked without crossing.
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Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
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You can certainly do it if your drawing is on a torus: draw a decagon that goes "through the hole"; then draw a zigzag (like the one in your picture) that crosses each edge of the decagon once. The two ends of the zigzag will end up on opposite "sides" of the original decagon, but can be joined "around the back". By converting the situation to one involving a "square donut" (akin to this one) you can probably do this all with straight lines, although that may be easier if the cross-section is a pentagon rather than a square...
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I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
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– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
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You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
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David G. Stork's example with $18$ points and edges can easily be changed into an example with $10$ points and edges based on a pentagon inside another pentagon with alternating links. So take two of those $10$ solutions, one inside the other, and then join them appropriately to get something like this with $20$ points and edges.
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
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– John Hughes
30 mins ago
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
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– David G. Stork
19 mins ago
add a comment |
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David G. Stork's example with $18$ points and edges can easily be changed into an example with $10$ points and edges based on a pentagon inside another pentagon with alternating links. So take two of those $10$ solutions, one inside the other, and then join them appropriately to get something like this with $20$ points and edges.
$endgroup$
1
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
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– John Hughes
30 mins ago
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
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– David G. Stork
19 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
David G. Stork's example with $18$ points and edges can easily be changed into an example with $10$ points and edges based on a pentagon inside another pentagon with alternating links. So take two of those $10$ solutions, one inside the other, and then join them appropriately to get something like this with $20$ points and edges.
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David G. Stork's example with $18$ points and edges can easily be changed into an example with $10$ points and edges based on a pentagon inside another pentagon with alternating links. So take two of those $10$ solutions, one inside the other, and then join them appropriately to get something like this with $20$ points and edges.
edited 30 mins ago
answered 37 mins ago
HenryHenry
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
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– John Hughes
30 mins ago
1
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
19 mins ago
add a comment |
1
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
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– John Hughes
30 mins ago
1
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
19 mins ago
1
1
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
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– John Hughes
30 mins ago
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Interesting that it has to "reverse direction"; I wonder if there's a winding-number argument to show something like this must be true...but I'm too groggy to work one out.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
30 mins ago
1
1
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
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– David G. Stork
19 mins ago
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Bravo! (+1).... the key seems to be reversing chirality.
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– David G. Stork
19 mins ago
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(I assume there can be no crossings at vertices or corners.)
Here is one solution for $18$ (and @Henry, below, generalizes to $20$):
Since each segment is crossed by exactly one other segment, we can think of the problem as having 10 Xs that have to be linked without crossing.
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Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
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– Henry
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
(I assume there can be no crossings at vertices or corners.)
Here is one solution for $18$ (and @Henry, below, generalizes to $20$):
Since each segment is crossed by exactly one other segment, we can think of the problem as having 10 Xs that have to be linked without crossing.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
$endgroup$
– Henry
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
(I assume there can be no crossings at vertices or corners.)
Here is one solution for $18$ (and @Henry, below, generalizes to $20$):
Since each segment is crossed by exactly one other segment, we can think of the problem as having 10 Xs that have to be linked without crossing.
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(I assume there can be no crossings at vertices or corners.)
Here is one solution for $18$ (and @Henry, below, generalizes to $20$):
Since each segment is crossed by exactly one other segment, we can think of the problem as having 10 Xs that have to be linked without crossing.
edited 17 mins ago
answered 1 hour ago
David G. StorkDavid G. Stork
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Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
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– Henry
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Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
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– Henry
1 hour ago
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Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
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– Henry
1 hour ago
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Indeed - you seem to use $9$ being odd, though $10$ is not
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– Henry
1 hour ago
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You can certainly do it if your drawing is on a torus: draw a decagon that goes "through the hole"; then draw a zigzag (like the one in your picture) that crosses each edge of the decagon once. The two ends of the zigzag will end up on opposite "sides" of the original decagon, but can be joined "around the back". By converting the situation to one involving a "square donut" (akin to this one) you can probably do this all with straight lines, although that may be easier if the cross-section is a pentagon rather than a square...
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I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
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– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
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You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
4 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can certainly do it if your drawing is on a torus: draw a decagon that goes "through the hole"; then draw a zigzag (like the one in your picture) that crosses each edge of the decagon once. The two ends of the zigzag will end up on opposite "sides" of the original decagon, but can be joined "around the back". By converting the situation to one involving a "square donut" (akin to this one) you can probably do this all with straight lines, although that may be easier if the cross-section is a pentagon rather than a square...
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
$begingroup$
You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
4 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can certainly do it if your drawing is on a torus: draw a decagon that goes "through the hole"; then draw a zigzag (like the one in your picture) that crosses each edge of the decagon once. The two ends of the zigzag will end up on opposite "sides" of the original decagon, but can be joined "around the back". By converting the situation to one involving a "square donut" (akin to this one) you can probably do this all with straight lines, although that may be easier if the cross-section is a pentagon rather than a square...
$endgroup$
You can certainly do it if your drawing is on a torus: draw a decagon that goes "through the hole"; then draw a zigzag (like the one in your picture) that crosses each edge of the decagon once. The two ends of the zigzag will end up on opposite "sides" of the original decagon, but can be joined "around the back". By converting the situation to one involving a "square donut" (akin to this one) you can probably do this all with straight lines, although that may be easier if the cross-section is a pentagon rather than a square...
answered 39 mins ago
John HughesJohn Hughes
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I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
$begingroup$
You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
4 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
$begingroup$
You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
4 mins ago
$begingroup$
I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
$begingroup$
I wonder if your "square donut" will force kinks in lines, thereby breaking the conditions of the problem. Possible... but not certain...
$endgroup$
– David G. Stork
12 mins ago
$begingroup$
You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
4 mins ago
$begingroup$
You may well be right. Could be that there's a Z/2Z obstruction hiding in here somewhere.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
4 mins ago
add a comment |
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