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Fellow Scrum team member appears disengaged from stand ups, scrum master hasn't addressed it - what can/should I do?
How to keep scrum times minimal with a large dev teamHow do you manage promotion when using Scrum?How to handle a scrum member speaking for too long?How do I make the case to my manager that I should be excluded from the Scrum methodology when it doesn't fit my work?How to get people to turn up for daily meeting?Dealing with problematic SCRUM master/collegueIncorrect scrum meeting format not allowing for enough participation from developersSenior employee of my team understood my email as an order and didn't like itHow to deal with favoritism in a scrum team?Requesting transfer out of project
I'm a member of a Scrum team in a matrix managed org (as a QA, my actual boss is the QA Manager who has other QAs in other scrum teams as well, but day-to-day I report progress/blockers etc to the Scrum team with its own Scrum Master for this particular project). Our stand-ups happen in our "team pod" as that's where the scrum board is etc.
One of the other members - Anne - of this Scrum team is my peer in that we have a similar level of expertise, seniority etc but report to different managers. We carry out similar but parallel functions on this team.
Anne has made many negative comments about Agile/Scrum e.g. it's "too much talking and not enough doing", "process at the expense of results" etc. I actually can't really disagree with Anne, but I recognize that we have to work within the Agile/Scrum framework even so. And from my subjective assessment Anne seeks to do as little as reasonably possible.
My problem: as the daily stand up (and other ad-hoc team meetings etc) is held in our team area, Anne doesn't stand up with the rest of us -- she sort of appears in the circle of people, but just by swiveling a chair round. Then she actively disengages with the stand-up e.g. looking at her screen and typing a response to emails whilst other people are giving their updates. Occasionally she does stand up and 'engage' but making it clear that she looks down on the whole process e.g. examining fingernails during someone's update or brushing dirt off her jeans etc!
Essentially it's clear that Anne is skeptical and dismissive of the whole Scrum process, and lets that show.
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
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I'm a member of a Scrum team in a matrix managed org (as a QA, my actual boss is the QA Manager who has other QAs in other scrum teams as well, but day-to-day I report progress/blockers etc to the Scrum team with its own Scrum Master for this particular project). Our stand-ups happen in our "team pod" as that's where the scrum board is etc.
One of the other members - Anne - of this Scrum team is my peer in that we have a similar level of expertise, seniority etc but report to different managers. We carry out similar but parallel functions on this team.
Anne has made many negative comments about Agile/Scrum e.g. it's "too much talking and not enough doing", "process at the expense of results" etc. I actually can't really disagree with Anne, but I recognize that we have to work within the Agile/Scrum framework even so. And from my subjective assessment Anne seeks to do as little as reasonably possible.
My problem: as the daily stand up (and other ad-hoc team meetings etc) is held in our team area, Anne doesn't stand up with the rest of us -- she sort of appears in the circle of people, but just by swiveling a chair round. Then she actively disengages with the stand-up e.g. looking at her screen and typing a response to emails whilst other people are giving their updates. Occasionally she does stand up and 'engage' but making it clear that she looks down on the whole process e.g. examining fingernails during someone's update or brushing dirt off her jeans etc!
Essentially it's clear that Anne is skeptical and dismissive of the whole Scrum process, and lets that show.
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
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How exactly is Anne's behavior your problem?
– sf02
12 mins ago
It isn't explicitly "my problem" as such, but it contributes to undermining the whole stand-up/Scrum/Agile process and is pretty demotivating. Anne is a veteran in this company and has institutional knowledge but other than that, it's just the simple "what would it be like if everyone did that?" argument. Anne doesn't have any authority over this process.
– user102003
9 mins ago
How long do your stand-ups last? Are they to the point? I find myself distracted sometimes when others drift off in some technical discussion about a certain task. Ideally, it should take only 10-15, otherwise it's indeed 'too much talking'.
– Berend
7 mins ago
@Berend Yes, about 10-15 mins usually (often closer to 15 but not much more than that). It's more that Anne seems to resent the whole process as getting in the way of her normal workflow.
– user102003
3 mins ago
"what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care" - you need to learn how to motivate yourself without relying on others.
– Joe Strazzere
23 secs ago
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I'm a member of a Scrum team in a matrix managed org (as a QA, my actual boss is the QA Manager who has other QAs in other scrum teams as well, but day-to-day I report progress/blockers etc to the Scrum team with its own Scrum Master for this particular project). Our stand-ups happen in our "team pod" as that's where the scrum board is etc.
One of the other members - Anne - of this Scrum team is my peer in that we have a similar level of expertise, seniority etc but report to different managers. We carry out similar but parallel functions on this team.
Anne has made many negative comments about Agile/Scrum e.g. it's "too much talking and not enough doing", "process at the expense of results" etc. I actually can't really disagree with Anne, but I recognize that we have to work within the Agile/Scrum framework even so. And from my subjective assessment Anne seeks to do as little as reasonably possible.
My problem: as the daily stand up (and other ad-hoc team meetings etc) is held in our team area, Anne doesn't stand up with the rest of us -- she sort of appears in the circle of people, but just by swiveling a chair round. Then she actively disengages with the stand-up e.g. looking at her screen and typing a response to emails whilst other people are giving their updates. Occasionally she does stand up and 'engage' but making it clear that she looks down on the whole process e.g. examining fingernails during someone's update or brushing dirt off her jeans etc!
Essentially it's clear that Anne is skeptical and dismissive of the whole Scrum process, and lets that show.
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
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I'm a member of a Scrum team in a matrix managed org (as a QA, my actual boss is the QA Manager who has other QAs in other scrum teams as well, but day-to-day I report progress/blockers etc to the Scrum team with its own Scrum Master for this particular project). Our stand-ups happen in our "team pod" as that's where the scrum board is etc.
One of the other members - Anne - of this Scrum team is my peer in that we have a similar level of expertise, seniority etc but report to different managers. We carry out similar but parallel functions on this team.
Anne has made many negative comments about Agile/Scrum e.g. it's "too much talking and not enough doing", "process at the expense of results" etc. I actually can't really disagree with Anne, but I recognize that we have to work within the Agile/Scrum framework even so. And from my subjective assessment Anne seeks to do as little as reasonably possible.
My problem: as the daily stand up (and other ad-hoc team meetings etc) is held in our team area, Anne doesn't stand up with the rest of us -- she sort of appears in the circle of people, but just by swiveling a chair round. Then she actively disengages with the stand-up e.g. looking at her screen and typing a response to emails whilst other people are giving their updates. Occasionally she does stand up and 'engage' but making it clear that she looks down on the whole process e.g. examining fingernails during someone's update or brushing dirt off her jeans etc!
Essentially it's clear that Anne is skeptical and dismissive of the whole Scrum process, and lets that show.
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
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How exactly is Anne's behavior your problem?
– sf02
12 mins ago
It isn't explicitly "my problem" as such, but it contributes to undermining the whole stand-up/Scrum/Agile process and is pretty demotivating. Anne is a veteran in this company and has institutional knowledge but other than that, it's just the simple "what would it be like if everyone did that?" argument. Anne doesn't have any authority over this process.
– user102003
9 mins ago
How long do your stand-ups last? Are they to the point? I find myself distracted sometimes when others drift off in some technical discussion about a certain task. Ideally, it should take only 10-15, otherwise it's indeed 'too much talking'.
– Berend
7 mins ago
@Berend Yes, about 10-15 mins usually (often closer to 15 but not much more than that). It's more that Anne seems to resent the whole process as getting in the way of her normal workflow.
– user102003
3 mins ago
"what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care" - you need to learn how to motivate yourself without relying on others.
– Joe Strazzere
23 secs ago
add a comment |
1
How exactly is Anne's behavior your problem?
– sf02
12 mins ago
It isn't explicitly "my problem" as such, but it contributes to undermining the whole stand-up/Scrum/Agile process and is pretty demotivating. Anne is a veteran in this company and has institutional knowledge but other than that, it's just the simple "what would it be like if everyone did that?" argument. Anne doesn't have any authority over this process.
– user102003
9 mins ago
How long do your stand-ups last? Are they to the point? I find myself distracted sometimes when others drift off in some technical discussion about a certain task. Ideally, it should take only 10-15, otherwise it's indeed 'too much talking'.
– Berend
7 mins ago
@Berend Yes, about 10-15 mins usually (often closer to 15 but not much more than that). It's more that Anne seems to resent the whole process as getting in the way of her normal workflow.
– user102003
3 mins ago
"what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care" - you need to learn how to motivate yourself without relying on others.
– Joe Strazzere
23 secs ago
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How exactly is Anne's behavior your problem?
– sf02
12 mins ago
How exactly is Anne's behavior your problem?
– sf02
12 mins ago
It isn't explicitly "my problem" as such, but it contributes to undermining the whole stand-up/Scrum/Agile process and is pretty demotivating. Anne is a veteran in this company and has institutional knowledge but other than that, it's just the simple "what would it be like if everyone did that?" argument. Anne doesn't have any authority over this process.
– user102003
9 mins ago
It isn't explicitly "my problem" as such, but it contributes to undermining the whole stand-up/Scrum/Agile process and is pretty demotivating. Anne is a veteran in this company and has institutional knowledge but other than that, it's just the simple "what would it be like if everyone did that?" argument. Anne doesn't have any authority over this process.
– user102003
9 mins ago
How long do your stand-ups last? Are they to the point? I find myself distracted sometimes when others drift off in some technical discussion about a certain task. Ideally, it should take only 10-15, otherwise it's indeed 'too much talking'.
– Berend
7 mins ago
How long do your stand-ups last? Are they to the point? I find myself distracted sometimes when others drift off in some technical discussion about a certain task. Ideally, it should take only 10-15, otherwise it's indeed 'too much talking'.
– Berend
7 mins ago
@Berend Yes, about 10-15 mins usually (often closer to 15 but not much more than that). It's more that Anne seems to resent the whole process as getting in the way of her normal workflow.
– user102003
3 mins ago
@Berend Yes, about 10-15 mins usually (often closer to 15 but not much more than that). It's more that Anne seems to resent the whole process as getting in the way of her normal workflow.
– user102003
3 mins ago
"what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care" - you need to learn how to motivate yourself without relying on others.
– Joe Strazzere
23 secs ago
"what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care" - you need to learn how to motivate yourself without relying on others.
– Joe Strazzere
23 secs ago
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Generally, if the following are true about an employee you observe performing unsatisfactorily:
- the employee doesn't report to you; you have no supervisory or performance responsibility for them,
- the employee's performance is not directly impacting your own deliverables,
- Others who do have responsibility for the employee are already aware of their actions or issues,
then the best thing you can do is nothing. Focus on your own work and your own performance. Let the management staff responsible for Anne take the actions they deem appropriate.
This may seem like an unfortunately passive approach, but in reality, there will often be poor performers on any team, it's a valuable skill to be able to focus on your own work despite their outcomes.
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I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point?
You should keep doing your good work and performing professionally during stand-ups (as you are already doing).
As you are not this person's manager nor scrum master there is nothing you should be trying to fix or correct on them. In fact, this doesn't seem to prevent you from doing your work at all, and is "just" something that demotivates you a bit.
You say your master most likely has noticed this attitude, so on that matter I would leave it be and let your master determine how to handle or approach this person's attitude (unless this starts to physically prevent you from doing your job).
why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
You should care because you value your job, as well as the level of professionalism and quality of the work you deliver.
I know this person's attitude may be a bit demotivating, but I suggest you don't compare to others in terms of the quality of the work you have to do. Instead, try focusing on your own professional development, and chose to keep doing a good job.
add a comment |
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Generally, if the following are true about an employee you observe performing unsatisfactorily:
- the employee doesn't report to you; you have no supervisory or performance responsibility for them,
- the employee's performance is not directly impacting your own deliverables,
- Others who do have responsibility for the employee are already aware of their actions or issues,
then the best thing you can do is nothing. Focus on your own work and your own performance. Let the management staff responsible for Anne take the actions they deem appropriate.
This may seem like an unfortunately passive approach, but in reality, there will often be poor performers on any team, it's a valuable skill to be able to focus on your own work despite their outcomes.
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Generally, if the following are true about an employee you observe performing unsatisfactorily:
- the employee doesn't report to you; you have no supervisory or performance responsibility for them,
- the employee's performance is not directly impacting your own deliverables,
- Others who do have responsibility for the employee are already aware of their actions or issues,
then the best thing you can do is nothing. Focus on your own work and your own performance. Let the management staff responsible for Anne take the actions they deem appropriate.
This may seem like an unfortunately passive approach, but in reality, there will often be poor performers on any team, it's a valuable skill to be able to focus on your own work despite their outcomes.
add a comment |
Generally, if the following are true about an employee you observe performing unsatisfactorily:
- the employee doesn't report to you; you have no supervisory or performance responsibility for them,
- the employee's performance is not directly impacting your own deliverables,
- Others who do have responsibility for the employee are already aware of their actions or issues,
then the best thing you can do is nothing. Focus on your own work and your own performance. Let the management staff responsible for Anne take the actions they deem appropriate.
This may seem like an unfortunately passive approach, but in reality, there will often be poor performers on any team, it's a valuable skill to be able to focus on your own work despite their outcomes.
Generally, if the following are true about an employee you observe performing unsatisfactorily:
- the employee doesn't report to you; you have no supervisory or performance responsibility for them,
- the employee's performance is not directly impacting your own deliverables,
- Others who do have responsibility for the employee are already aware of their actions or issues,
then the best thing you can do is nothing. Focus on your own work and your own performance. Let the management staff responsible for Anne take the actions they deem appropriate.
This may seem like an unfortunately passive approach, but in reality, there will often be poor performers on any team, it's a valuable skill to be able to focus on your own work despite their outcomes.
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I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point?
You should keep doing your good work and performing professionally during stand-ups (as you are already doing).
As you are not this person's manager nor scrum master there is nothing you should be trying to fix or correct on them. In fact, this doesn't seem to prevent you from doing your work at all, and is "just" something that demotivates you a bit.
You say your master most likely has noticed this attitude, so on that matter I would leave it be and let your master determine how to handle or approach this person's attitude (unless this starts to physically prevent you from doing your job).
why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
You should care because you value your job, as well as the level of professionalism and quality of the work you deliver.
I know this person's attitude may be a bit demotivating, but I suggest you don't compare to others in terms of the quality of the work you have to do. Instead, try focusing on your own professional development, and chose to keep doing a good job.
add a comment |
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point?
You should keep doing your good work and performing professionally during stand-ups (as you are already doing).
As you are not this person's manager nor scrum master there is nothing you should be trying to fix or correct on them. In fact, this doesn't seem to prevent you from doing your work at all, and is "just" something that demotivates you a bit.
You say your master most likely has noticed this attitude, so on that matter I would leave it be and let your master determine how to handle or approach this person's attitude (unless this starts to physically prevent you from doing your job).
why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
You should care because you value your job, as well as the level of professionalism and quality of the work you deliver.
I know this person's attitude may be a bit demotivating, but I suggest you don't compare to others in terms of the quality of the work you have to do. Instead, try focusing on your own professional development, and chose to keep doing a good job.
add a comment |
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point?
You should keep doing your good work and performing professionally during stand-ups (as you are already doing).
As you are not this person's manager nor scrum master there is nothing you should be trying to fix or correct on them. In fact, this doesn't seem to prevent you from doing your work at all, and is "just" something that demotivates you a bit.
You say your master most likely has noticed this attitude, so on that matter I would leave it be and let your master determine how to handle or approach this person's attitude (unless this starts to physically prevent you from doing your job).
why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
You should care because you value your job, as well as the level of professionalism and quality of the work you deliver.
I know this person's attitude may be a bit demotivating, but I suggest you don't compare to others in terms of the quality of the work you have to do. Instead, try focusing on your own professional development, and chose to keep doing a good job.
I know the Scrum Master must have observed this, because it's obvious 3/5 days a week at least.
As a member of this team what can I do from this point?
You should keep doing your good work and performing professionally during stand-ups (as you are already doing).
As you are not this person's manager nor scrum master there is nothing you should be trying to fix or correct on them. In fact, this doesn't seem to prevent you from doing your work at all, and is "just" something that demotivates you a bit.
You say your master most likely has noticed this attitude, so on that matter I would leave it be and let your master determine how to handle or approach this person's attitude (unless this starts to physically prevent you from doing your job).
why should I care (I'm also a Scrum-cynic) if Anne doesn't and faces no consequences, maybe just because I'm newer to the org than Anne?
You should care because you value your job, as well as the level of professionalism and quality of the work you deliver.
I know this person's attitude may be a bit demotivating, but I suggest you don't compare to others in terms of the quality of the work you have to do. Instead, try focusing on your own professional development, and chose to keep doing a good job.
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How exactly is Anne's behavior your problem?
– sf02
12 mins ago
It isn't explicitly "my problem" as such, but it contributes to undermining the whole stand-up/Scrum/Agile process and is pretty demotivating. Anne is a veteran in this company and has institutional knowledge but other than that, it's just the simple "what would it be like if everyone did that?" argument. Anne doesn't have any authority over this process.
– user102003
9 mins ago
How long do your stand-ups last? Are they to the point? I find myself distracted sometimes when others drift off in some technical discussion about a certain task. Ideally, it should take only 10-15, otherwise it's indeed 'too much talking'.
– Berend
7 mins ago
@Berend Yes, about 10-15 mins usually (often closer to 15 but not much more than that). It's more that Anne seems to resent the whole process as getting in the way of her normal workflow.
– user102003
3 mins ago
"what can I do from this point? I am finding it really demotivating from at least 2 points of view i.e.: 1) scrum master seems ineffective and 2) why should I care" - you need to learn how to motivate yourself without relying on others.
– Joe Strazzere
23 secs ago