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If I do not understand wrong from this post and Wikipedia page of the BitLocker and TPM, by default, BitLocker uses symmetric cryptography like AES. However, TPM is capable of performing RSA encryption.
Given that, the RSA key is stored in the TPM, why BitLocker does not use the asymmetric encryption (i.e., RSA)? By using such encryption technique, we might be able to defend against the cold boot attack or sniffing on LPC bus.
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If I do not understand wrong from this post and Wikipedia page of the BitLocker and TPM, by default, BitLocker uses symmetric cryptography like AES. However, TPM is capable of performing RSA encryption.
Given that, the RSA key is stored in the TPM, why BitLocker does not use the asymmetric encryption (i.e., RSA)? By using such encryption technique, we might be able to defend against the cold boot attack or sniffing on LPC bus.
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How would using asymmetric encryption even help? Unless you never intend to write any data to the disk, you would need to have both sides of the key in memory in order to use the disk anyway. (I suppose there are special cases where you'd want a disk anyone can read but with strong authentication of its content -- but even there encrypting each block separately with an asymmetric primitive would not be the solution of choice).
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
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If I do not understand wrong from this post and Wikipedia page of the BitLocker and TPM, by default, BitLocker uses symmetric cryptography like AES. However, TPM is capable of performing RSA encryption.
Given that, the RSA key is stored in the TPM, why BitLocker does not use the asymmetric encryption (i.e., RSA)? By using such encryption technique, we might be able to defend against the cold boot attack or sniffing on LPC bus.
aes rsa tpm bitlocker cold-boot-attack
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If I do not understand wrong from this post and Wikipedia page of the BitLocker and TPM, by default, BitLocker uses symmetric cryptography like AES. However, TPM is capable of performing RSA encryption.
Given that, the RSA key is stored in the TPM, why BitLocker does not use the asymmetric encryption (i.e., RSA)? By using such encryption technique, we might be able to defend against the cold boot attack or sniffing on LPC bus.
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How would using asymmetric encryption even help? Unless you never intend to write any data to the disk, you would need to have both sides of the key in memory in order to use the disk anyway. (I suppose there are special cases where you'd want a disk anyone can read but with strong authentication of its content -- but even there encrypting each block separately with an asymmetric primitive would not be the solution of choice).
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
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How would using asymmetric encryption even help? Unless you never intend to write any data to the disk, you would need to have both sides of the key in memory in order to use the disk anyway. (I suppose there are special cases where you'd want a disk anyone can read but with strong authentication of its content -- but even there encrypting each block separately with an asymmetric primitive would not be the solution of choice).
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
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How would using asymmetric encryption even help? Unless you never intend to write any data to the disk, you would need to have both sides of the key in memory in order to use the disk anyway. (I suppose there are special cases where you'd want a disk anyone can read but with strong authentication of its content -- but even there encrypting each block separately with an asymmetric primitive would not be the solution of choice).
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
How would using asymmetric encryption even help? Unless you never intend to write any data to the disk, you would need to have both sides of the key in memory in order to use the disk anyway. (I suppose there are special cases where you'd want a disk anyone can read but with strong authentication of its content -- but even there encrypting each block separately with an asymmetric primitive would not be the solution of choice).
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
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Asymmetric encryption is vastly inferior to symmetric encryption. That is, in all respects, except one -- being asymmetric. When that property is needed, there's no way around it, obviously.
Asymmetric encryption is much slower. It is much more susceptible to showing recognizable patterns of some kind given non-random input. You need much larger key sizes to provide an adequate level of protection, and the system is much more vulnerable in general with current and future technology (reasonably-sized quantum computers will basically mean instant death for RSA, but AES is pretty much "yeah, so what" in that respect).
That's the reason why asymmetric encryption is almost never used to encrypt bulk data.
Nothing prevents you from encrypting a terabyte of data with RSA using 2048 bit chunks, much like you encrypt a terabyte with AES in 128 bit chunks. Only just, it doesn't make sense to do that because it is several thousand times slower, and at the same time is much more insecure.
vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
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Asymmetric encryption like RSA is limited in that you can only use it to encrypt data the size of the key. With a 2048 bit key, you can only encrypt 2048 bits of information. For this reason RSA is unsuitable for bulk encryption like disks - and even for small files like email messages.
This is why almost all uses of asymmetric encryption involve "hybrid encryption". RSA is used to encrypt the key for a symmetric algorithm like AES, and AES is used to encrypt the bulk data. PGP is an example of a hybrid encryption application.
Correction - as @HenningMakholm points out in the comments, it isn't that asymmetric can't be chained to handle larger blocks of data the way symmetric algorithms do, it's that doing so is impractical from a performance point of view. The end effect is the same, but the mechanism is different.
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And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
2
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The coldboot attack can be performed on any encryption scheme as long as the keys are residing on the memory. For full-disk encryption (FDE) with symmetric algorithms like AES , you will need to take out the key from the TPM, where you will be applicable to coldboot attack.
Though the TPM is capable of RSA encryption and decryptions, for FDE the RSA has problems, in short the speed;
- RSA must use AOEP scheme to be secure which reduces the message size.
- To speed up the public key encryption the public key is selected as 3, 5, ... However, the decryption to access one block will be much more slower even you use CRT to gain 4x speed.
- Even the TPM can perform RSA encryption on the chip, it will be much slower for Full Disk Encryption (FDE).
Therefore, TPM based FDEs use TPM as a key storage.
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Asymmetric encryption is vastly inferior to symmetric encryption. That is, in all respects, except one -- being asymmetric. When that property is needed, there's no way around it, obviously.
Asymmetric encryption is much slower. It is much more susceptible to showing recognizable patterns of some kind given non-random input. You need much larger key sizes to provide an adequate level of protection, and the system is much more vulnerable in general with current and future technology (reasonably-sized quantum computers will basically mean instant death for RSA, but AES is pretty much "yeah, so what" in that respect).
That's the reason why asymmetric encryption is almost never used to encrypt bulk data.
Nothing prevents you from encrypting a terabyte of data with RSA using 2048 bit chunks, much like you encrypt a terabyte with AES in 128 bit chunks. Only just, it doesn't make sense to do that because it is several thousand times slower, and at the same time is much more insecure.
vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Asymmetric encryption is vastly inferior to symmetric encryption. That is, in all respects, except one -- being asymmetric. When that property is needed, there's no way around it, obviously.
Asymmetric encryption is much slower. It is much more susceptible to showing recognizable patterns of some kind given non-random input. You need much larger key sizes to provide an adequate level of protection, and the system is much more vulnerable in general with current and future technology (reasonably-sized quantum computers will basically mean instant death for RSA, but AES is pretty much "yeah, so what" in that respect).
That's the reason why asymmetric encryption is almost never used to encrypt bulk data.
Nothing prevents you from encrypting a terabyte of data with RSA using 2048 bit chunks, much like you encrypt a terabyte with AES in 128 bit chunks. Only just, it doesn't make sense to do that because it is several thousand times slower, and at the same time is much more insecure.
vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Asymmetric encryption is vastly inferior to symmetric encryption. That is, in all respects, except one -- being asymmetric. When that property is needed, there's no way around it, obviously.
Asymmetric encryption is much slower. It is much more susceptible to showing recognizable patterns of some kind given non-random input. You need much larger key sizes to provide an adequate level of protection, and the system is much more vulnerable in general with current and future technology (reasonably-sized quantum computers will basically mean instant death for RSA, but AES is pretty much "yeah, so what" in that respect).
That's the reason why asymmetric encryption is almost never used to encrypt bulk data.
Nothing prevents you from encrypting a terabyte of data with RSA using 2048 bit chunks, much like you encrypt a terabyte with AES in 128 bit chunks. Only just, it doesn't make sense to do that because it is several thousand times slower, and at the same time is much more insecure.
Asymmetric encryption is vastly inferior to symmetric encryption. That is, in all respects, except one -- being asymmetric. When that property is needed, there's no way around it, obviously.
Asymmetric encryption is much slower. It is much more susceptible to showing recognizable patterns of some kind given non-random input. You need much larger key sizes to provide an adequate level of protection, and the system is much more vulnerable in general with current and future technology (reasonably-sized quantum computers will basically mean instant death for RSA, but AES is pretty much "yeah, so what" in that respect).
That's the reason why asymmetric encryption is almost never used to encrypt bulk data.
Nothing prevents you from encrypting a terabyte of data with RSA using 2048 bit chunks, much like you encrypt a terabyte with AES in 128 bit chunks. Only just, it doesn't make sense to do that because it is several thousand times slower, and at the same time is much more insecure.
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vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
3 hours ago
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vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
3 hours ago
vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
vastly inferior? Compare the expand of cryptography after invention on Asymmetric Cryptography.
– kelalaka
11 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
3 hours ago
@kelalaka For communication.
– wizzwizz4
3 hours ago
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Asymmetric encryption like RSA is limited in that you can only use it to encrypt data the size of the key. With a 2048 bit key, you can only encrypt 2048 bits of information. For this reason RSA is unsuitable for bulk encryption like disks - and even for small files like email messages.
This is why almost all uses of asymmetric encryption involve "hybrid encryption". RSA is used to encrypt the key for a symmetric algorithm like AES, and AES is used to encrypt the bulk data. PGP is an example of a hybrid encryption application.
Correction - as @HenningMakholm points out in the comments, it isn't that asymmetric can't be chained to handle larger blocks of data the way symmetric algorithms do, it's that doing so is impractical from a performance point of view. The end effect is the same, but the mechanism is different.
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And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
2
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Asymmetric encryption like RSA is limited in that you can only use it to encrypt data the size of the key. With a 2048 bit key, you can only encrypt 2048 bits of information. For this reason RSA is unsuitable for bulk encryption like disks - and even for small files like email messages.
This is why almost all uses of asymmetric encryption involve "hybrid encryption". RSA is used to encrypt the key for a symmetric algorithm like AES, and AES is used to encrypt the bulk data. PGP is an example of a hybrid encryption application.
Correction - as @HenningMakholm points out in the comments, it isn't that asymmetric can't be chained to handle larger blocks of data the way symmetric algorithms do, it's that doing so is impractical from a performance point of view. The end effect is the same, but the mechanism is different.
8
And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
2
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Asymmetric encryption like RSA is limited in that you can only use it to encrypt data the size of the key. With a 2048 bit key, you can only encrypt 2048 bits of information. For this reason RSA is unsuitable for bulk encryption like disks - and even for small files like email messages.
This is why almost all uses of asymmetric encryption involve "hybrid encryption". RSA is used to encrypt the key for a symmetric algorithm like AES, and AES is used to encrypt the bulk data. PGP is an example of a hybrid encryption application.
Correction - as @HenningMakholm points out in the comments, it isn't that asymmetric can't be chained to handle larger blocks of data the way symmetric algorithms do, it's that doing so is impractical from a performance point of view. The end effect is the same, but the mechanism is different.
Asymmetric encryption like RSA is limited in that you can only use it to encrypt data the size of the key. With a 2048 bit key, you can only encrypt 2048 bits of information. For this reason RSA is unsuitable for bulk encryption like disks - and even for small files like email messages.
This is why almost all uses of asymmetric encryption involve "hybrid encryption". RSA is used to encrypt the key for a symmetric algorithm like AES, and AES is used to encrypt the bulk data. PGP is an example of a hybrid encryption application.
Correction - as @HenningMakholm points out in the comments, it isn't that asymmetric can't be chained to handle larger blocks of data the way symmetric algorithms do, it's that doing so is impractical from a performance point of view. The end effect is the same, but the mechanism is different.
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And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
2
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
2
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
8
8
And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
And AES can only encrypt 128 bits of information. There are well-known solutions to using AES for larger amounts of data, and some of them could be applied with RSA as the underlying primitive instead of AES. Performance would be dismal, though, which is the real reason why this is not done.
– Henning Makholm
13 hours ago
2
2
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
I'm not sure why this answer has so many upvotes, it's flat-out wrong. That's not the difference between RSA and AES, it's the difference between block-ciphers (including both RSA and AES) and stream ciphers. And it's not even a big deal, since you can easily turn any block cipher into a stream cipher using the various modes.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The coldboot attack can be performed on any encryption scheme as long as the keys are residing on the memory. For full-disk encryption (FDE) with symmetric algorithms like AES , you will need to take out the key from the TPM, where you will be applicable to coldboot attack.
Though the TPM is capable of RSA encryption and decryptions, for FDE the RSA has problems, in short the speed;
- RSA must use AOEP scheme to be secure which reduces the message size.
- To speed up the public key encryption the public key is selected as 3, 5, ... However, the decryption to access one block will be much more slower even you use CRT to gain 4x speed.
- Even the TPM can perform RSA encryption on the chip, it will be much slower for Full Disk Encryption (FDE).
Therefore, TPM based FDEs use TPM as a key storage.
add a comment |
The coldboot attack can be performed on any encryption scheme as long as the keys are residing on the memory. For full-disk encryption (FDE) with symmetric algorithms like AES , you will need to take out the key from the TPM, where you will be applicable to coldboot attack.
Though the TPM is capable of RSA encryption and decryptions, for FDE the RSA has problems, in short the speed;
- RSA must use AOEP scheme to be secure which reduces the message size.
- To speed up the public key encryption the public key is selected as 3, 5, ... However, the decryption to access one block will be much more slower even you use CRT to gain 4x speed.
- Even the TPM can perform RSA encryption on the chip, it will be much slower for Full Disk Encryption (FDE).
Therefore, TPM based FDEs use TPM as a key storage.
add a comment |
The coldboot attack can be performed on any encryption scheme as long as the keys are residing on the memory. For full-disk encryption (FDE) with symmetric algorithms like AES , you will need to take out the key from the TPM, where you will be applicable to coldboot attack.
Though the TPM is capable of RSA encryption and decryptions, for FDE the RSA has problems, in short the speed;
- RSA must use AOEP scheme to be secure which reduces the message size.
- To speed up the public key encryption the public key is selected as 3, 5, ... However, the decryption to access one block will be much more slower even you use CRT to gain 4x speed.
- Even the TPM can perform RSA encryption on the chip, it will be much slower for Full Disk Encryption (FDE).
Therefore, TPM based FDEs use TPM as a key storage.
The coldboot attack can be performed on any encryption scheme as long as the keys are residing on the memory. For full-disk encryption (FDE) with symmetric algorithms like AES , you will need to take out the key from the TPM, where you will be applicable to coldboot attack.
Though the TPM is capable of RSA encryption and decryptions, for FDE the RSA has problems, in short the speed;
- RSA must use AOEP scheme to be secure which reduces the message size.
- To speed up the public key encryption the public key is selected as 3, 5, ... However, the decryption to access one block will be much more slower even you use CRT to gain 4x speed.
- Even the TPM can perform RSA encryption on the chip, it will be much slower for Full Disk Encryption (FDE).
Therefore, TPM based FDEs use TPM as a key storage.
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How would using asymmetric encryption even help? Unless you never intend to write any data to the disk, you would need to have both sides of the key in memory in order to use the disk anyway. (I suppose there are special cases where you'd want a disk anyone can read but with strong authentication of its content -- but even there encrypting each block separately with an asymmetric primitive would not be the solution of choice).
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