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Independent drivetrains on tandem bicycle


Tandem for limited space?Where Can I Find a Single Right Front Crank Arm for a Tandem?What is the common “vocabulary” for the captain and stoker to communicate?What kind of crank extractor do I needPull Inexperienced Tandem Stoker?belt vs chain for what matters performance onlyIs it possible to install a 1x11 drivetrain on an old MTB?How can I replace an oversized Chater-Lea bottom bracket with cotterless cranks?Baby seat for stoker's seat post on tandemPlease help identify my 1940's (?) Tandem Bicycle













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On a standard tandem frame, is it possible to build a tandem bicycle with independent drivetrains for the two riders? Is there a custom frame builder that would build a tandem like this?



I'm aware of the half-recumbent tandem that has independent drivetrains, but I'm specifically interested in the classic/normal tandem frame.










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    What do you mean by "independent drive trains"? Ultimately, they've gotta connect at the rear wheel. Even if you put a chain down each side and had separate freewheels, that would just mean that only the rider who was pedalling hardest would be contributing, so you'd have only half the power.

    – David Richerby
    3 hours ago






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    It's important to be clear what exactly you're after: do you want one rider to be able to pedal while the other rests? This would take independent freewheel mechanisms or equivalent. Do you want the riders to pedal at different cadences? A fixed ratio could be achieved with a front chain that doesn't use 1:1 gearing but this might have issues starting and the effort would come in and out of phase, with rather odd effects. There are various harebrained schemes for front wheel drive bikes. The captain could power a system like that while the stoker powered a normal drivetrain

    – Chris H
    3 hours ago











  • You'd need a left free-wheel and most importantly at least a left-sided rear derailleur which I both doubt to exist. To apply power both riders would need to keep the free-wheel engaged at all times. If there's only the slightest freewheeling on one side, no power is applied. And there will always be the risk of hitting heels and toes unless the frame is rather long.

    – Carel
    2 hours ago











  • @Carel there are BMXs with left side freewheels aren't there? Single speed though

    – Chris H
    2 hours ago







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    It needs to be noted that one reason such schemes are not more popular is that there is an advantage, in terms of the balance of the bike, in having the two cranks more or less in sync. (And, yes, cyclists on a tandem are always cranks. ;-) )

    – Daniel R Hicks
    45 mins ago















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On a standard tandem frame, is it possible to build a tandem bicycle with independent drivetrains for the two riders? Is there a custom frame builder that would build a tandem like this?



I'm aware of the half-recumbent tandem that has independent drivetrains, but I'm specifically interested in the classic/normal tandem frame.










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    What do you mean by "independent drive trains"? Ultimately, they've gotta connect at the rear wheel. Even if you put a chain down each side and had separate freewheels, that would just mean that only the rider who was pedalling hardest would be contributing, so you'd have only half the power.

    – David Richerby
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    It's important to be clear what exactly you're after: do you want one rider to be able to pedal while the other rests? This would take independent freewheel mechanisms or equivalent. Do you want the riders to pedal at different cadences? A fixed ratio could be achieved with a front chain that doesn't use 1:1 gearing but this might have issues starting and the effort would come in and out of phase, with rather odd effects. There are various harebrained schemes for front wheel drive bikes. The captain could power a system like that while the stoker powered a normal drivetrain

    – Chris H
    3 hours ago











  • You'd need a left free-wheel and most importantly at least a left-sided rear derailleur which I both doubt to exist. To apply power both riders would need to keep the free-wheel engaged at all times. If there's only the slightest freewheeling on one side, no power is applied. And there will always be the risk of hitting heels and toes unless the frame is rather long.

    – Carel
    2 hours ago











  • @Carel there are BMXs with left side freewheels aren't there? Single speed though

    – Chris H
    2 hours ago







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    It needs to be noted that one reason such schemes are not more popular is that there is an advantage, in terms of the balance of the bike, in having the two cranks more or less in sync. (And, yes, cyclists on a tandem are always cranks. ;-) )

    – Daniel R Hicks
    45 mins ago













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On a standard tandem frame, is it possible to build a tandem bicycle with independent drivetrains for the two riders? Is there a custom frame builder that would build a tandem like this?



I'm aware of the half-recumbent tandem that has independent drivetrains, but I'm specifically interested in the classic/normal tandem frame.










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On a standard tandem frame, is it possible to build a tandem bicycle with independent drivetrains for the two riders? Is there a custom frame builder that would build a tandem like this?



I'm aware of the half-recumbent tandem that has independent drivetrains, but I'm specifically interested in the classic/normal tandem frame.







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    What do you mean by "independent drive trains"? Ultimately, they've gotta connect at the rear wheel. Even if you put a chain down each side and had separate freewheels, that would just mean that only the rider who was pedalling hardest would be contributing, so you'd have only half the power.

    – David Richerby
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    It's important to be clear what exactly you're after: do you want one rider to be able to pedal while the other rests? This would take independent freewheel mechanisms or equivalent. Do you want the riders to pedal at different cadences? A fixed ratio could be achieved with a front chain that doesn't use 1:1 gearing but this might have issues starting and the effort would come in and out of phase, with rather odd effects. There are various harebrained schemes for front wheel drive bikes. The captain could power a system like that while the stoker powered a normal drivetrain

    – Chris H
    3 hours ago











  • You'd need a left free-wheel and most importantly at least a left-sided rear derailleur which I both doubt to exist. To apply power both riders would need to keep the free-wheel engaged at all times. If there's only the slightest freewheeling on one side, no power is applied. And there will always be the risk of hitting heels and toes unless the frame is rather long.

    – Carel
    2 hours ago











  • @Carel there are BMXs with left side freewheels aren't there? Single speed though

    – Chris H
    2 hours ago







  • 1





    It needs to be noted that one reason such schemes are not more popular is that there is an advantage, in terms of the balance of the bike, in having the two cranks more or less in sync. (And, yes, cyclists on a tandem are always cranks. ;-) )

    – Daniel R Hicks
    45 mins ago












  • 1





    What do you mean by "independent drive trains"? Ultimately, they've gotta connect at the rear wheel. Even if you put a chain down each side and had separate freewheels, that would just mean that only the rider who was pedalling hardest would be contributing, so you'd have only half the power.

    – David Richerby
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    It's important to be clear what exactly you're after: do you want one rider to be able to pedal while the other rests? This would take independent freewheel mechanisms or equivalent. Do you want the riders to pedal at different cadences? A fixed ratio could be achieved with a front chain that doesn't use 1:1 gearing but this might have issues starting and the effort would come in and out of phase, with rather odd effects. There are various harebrained schemes for front wheel drive bikes. The captain could power a system like that while the stoker powered a normal drivetrain

    – Chris H
    3 hours ago











  • You'd need a left free-wheel and most importantly at least a left-sided rear derailleur which I both doubt to exist. To apply power both riders would need to keep the free-wheel engaged at all times. If there's only the slightest freewheeling on one side, no power is applied. And there will always be the risk of hitting heels and toes unless the frame is rather long.

    – Carel
    2 hours ago











  • @Carel there are BMXs with left side freewheels aren't there? Single speed though

    – Chris H
    2 hours ago







  • 1





    It needs to be noted that one reason such schemes are not more popular is that there is an advantage, in terms of the balance of the bike, in having the two cranks more or less in sync. (And, yes, cyclists on a tandem are always cranks. ;-) )

    – Daniel R Hicks
    45 mins ago







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What do you mean by "independent drive trains"? Ultimately, they've gotta connect at the rear wheel. Even if you put a chain down each side and had separate freewheels, that would just mean that only the rider who was pedalling hardest would be contributing, so you'd have only half the power.

– David Richerby
3 hours ago





What do you mean by "independent drive trains"? Ultimately, they've gotta connect at the rear wheel. Even if you put a chain down each side and had separate freewheels, that would just mean that only the rider who was pedalling hardest would be contributing, so you'd have only half the power.

– David Richerby
3 hours ago




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1





It's important to be clear what exactly you're after: do you want one rider to be able to pedal while the other rests? This would take independent freewheel mechanisms or equivalent. Do you want the riders to pedal at different cadences? A fixed ratio could be achieved with a front chain that doesn't use 1:1 gearing but this might have issues starting and the effort would come in and out of phase, with rather odd effects. There are various harebrained schemes for front wheel drive bikes. The captain could power a system like that while the stoker powered a normal drivetrain

– Chris H
3 hours ago





It's important to be clear what exactly you're after: do you want one rider to be able to pedal while the other rests? This would take independent freewheel mechanisms or equivalent. Do you want the riders to pedal at different cadences? A fixed ratio could be achieved with a front chain that doesn't use 1:1 gearing but this might have issues starting and the effort would come in and out of phase, with rather odd effects. There are various harebrained schemes for front wheel drive bikes. The captain could power a system like that while the stoker powered a normal drivetrain

– Chris H
3 hours ago













You'd need a left free-wheel and most importantly at least a left-sided rear derailleur which I both doubt to exist. To apply power both riders would need to keep the free-wheel engaged at all times. If there's only the slightest freewheeling on one side, no power is applied. And there will always be the risk of hitting heels and toes unless the frame is rather long.

– Carel
2 hours ago





You'd need a left free-wheel and most importantly at least a left-sided rear derailleur which I both doubt to exist. To apply power both riders would need to keep the free-wheel engaged at all times. If there's only the slightest freewheeling on one side, no power is applied. And there will always be the risk of hitting heels and toes unless the frame is rather long.

– Carel
2 hours ago













@Carel there are BMXs with left side freewheels aren't there? Single speed though

– Chris H
2 hours ago






@Carel there are BMXs with left side freewheels aren't there? Single speed though

– Chris H
2 hours ago





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It needs to be noted that one reason such schemes are not more popular is that there is an advantage, in terms of the balance of the bike, in having the two cranks more or less in sync. (And, yes, cyclists on a tandem are always cranks. ;-) )

– Daniel R Hicks
45 mins ago





It needs to be noted that one reason such schemes are not more popular is that there is an advantage, in terms of the balance of the bike, in having the two cranks more or less in sync. (And, yes, cyclists on a tandem are always cranks. ;-) )

– Daniel R Hicks
45 mins ago










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As Chris H points out in his comment, this could mean two different things.



The half-recumbent/half-upright design does have separate gearing for each rider.



There's a different system that some conventional recumbents use that gives each rider the ability to coast independently, but they pedal at the same cadence: both sets of cranks drive a jackshaft (located just in front of the stoker's crank), which in turn drives the rear wheel.



There have been numerous ideas for bike drivetrains over the past century, and it's easy to imagine that other ideas have been tried out and lost to history.






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    Here's a picture of a half recumbent tandem
    https://www.ucycle.com/merchant/2856/images/zoom/hase-pino-allround.jpg



    Here is a link to a video of people riding a recumbent tandem.
    https://binged.it/2TXkxJC
    The video does a good job of explaining that the front crank has a freewheel mechanism that lets the riders pedal at different speeds. The front rider can also stop pedaling.



    If this is what is meant as "independent drivetrains" then the functionality is in the crank rather than the frame itself.



    The key to having a regular tandem like the recumbent tandem in the video is to find someone who makes a crank with a freewheeling chain ring. Like the old school Schwinn Suburban's from the late 70s with Shimano Positron FFS (Front Freewheel System).



    Here's a link to a product for mountain bikes with a freewheeling chain ring
    https://dirtmountainbike.com/news/hxr-easy-shift-crankset-allows-change-gear-without-pedalling.html



    With this part - or something like it - any tandem frame builder should be able to get you going.






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      As Chris H points out in his comment, this could mean two different things.



      The half-recumbent/half-upright design does have separate gearing for each rider.



      There's a different system that some conventional recumbents use that gives each rider the ability to coast independently, but they pedal at the same cadence: both sets of cranks drive a jackshaft (located just in front of the stoker's crank), which in turn drives the rear wheel.



      There have been numerous ideas for bike drivetrains over the past century, and it's easy to imagine that other ideas have been tried out and lost to history.






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        As Chris H points out in his comment, this could mean two different things.



        The half-recumbent/half-upright design does have separate gearing for each rider.



        There's a different system that some conventional recumbents use that gives each rider the ability to coast independently, but they pedal at the same cadence: both sets of cranks drive a jackshaft (located just in front of the stoker's crank), which in turn drives the rear wheel.



        There have been numerous ideas for bike drivetrains over the past century, and it's easy to imagine that other ideas have been tried out and lost to history.






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          As Chris H points out in his comment, this could mean two different things.



          The half-recumbent/half-upright design does have separate gearing for each rider.



          There's a different system that some conventional recumbents use that gives each rider the ability to coast independently, but they pedal at the same cadence: both sets of cranks drive a jackshaft (located just in front of the stoker's crank), which in turn drives the rear wheel.



          There have been numerous ideas for bike drivetrains over the past century, and it's easy to imagine that other ideas have been tried out and lost to history.






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          As Chris H points out in his comment, this could mean two different things.



          The half-recumbent/half-upright design does have separate gearing for each rider.



          There's a different system that some conventional recumbents use that gives each rider the ability to coast independently, but they pedal at the same cadence: both sets of cranks drive a jackshaft (located just in front of the stoker's crank), which in turn drives the rear wheel.



          There have been numerous ideas for bike drivetrains over the past century, and it's easy to imagine that other ideas have been tried out and lost to history.







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              Here's a picture of a half recumbent tandem
              https://www.ucycle.com/merchant/2856/images/zoom/hase-pino-allround.jpg



              Here is a link to a video of people riding a recumbent tandem.
              https://binged.it/2TXkxJC
              The video does a good job of explaining that the front crank has a freewheel mechanism that lets the riders pedal at different speeds. The front rider can also stop pedaling.



              If this is what is meant as "independent drivetrains" then the functionality is in the crank rather than the frame itself.



              The key to having a regular tandem like the recumbent tandem in the video is to find someone who makes a crank with a freewheeling chain ring. Like the old school Schwinn Suburban's from the late 70s with Shimano Positron FFS (Front Freewheel System).



              Here's a link to a product for mountain bikes with a freewheeling chain ring
              https://dirtmountainbike.com/news/hxr-easy-shift-crankset-allows-change-gear-without-pedalling.html



              With this part - or something like it - any tandem frame builder should be able to get you going.






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                Here's a picture of a half recumbent tandem
                https://www.ucycle.com/merchant/2856/images/zoom/hase-pino-allround.jpg



                Here is a link to a video of people riding a recumbent tandem.
                https://binged.it/2TXkxJC
                The video does a good job of explaining that the front crank has a freewheel mechanism that lets the riders pedal at different speeds. The front rider can also stop pedaling.



                If this is what is meant as "independent drivetrains" then the functionality is in the crank rather than the frame itself.



                The key to having a regular tandem like the recumbent tandem in the video is to find someone who makes a crank with a freewheeling chain ring. Like the old school Schwinn Suburban's from the late 70s with Shimano Positron FFS (Front Freewheel System).



                Here's a link to a product for mountain bikes with a freewheeling chain ring
                https://dirtmountainbike.com/news/hxr-easy-shift-crankset-allows-change-gear-without-pedalling.html



                With this part - or something like it - any tandem frame builder should be able to get you going.






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                  Here's a picture of a half recumbent tandem
                  https://www.ucycle.com/merchant/2856/images/zoom/hase-pino-allround.jpg



                  Here is a link to a video of people riding a recumbent tandem.
                  https://binged.it/2TXkxJC
                  The video does a good job of explaining that the front crank has a freewheel mechanism that lets the riders pedal at different speeds. The front rider can also stop pedaling.



                  If this is what is meant as "independent drivetrains" then the functionality is in the crank rather than the frame itself.



                  The key to having a regular tandem like the recumbent tandem in the video is to find someone who makes a crank with a freewheeling chain ring. Like the old school Schwinn Suburban's from the late 70s with Shimano Positron FFS (Front Freewheel System).



                  Here's a link to a product for mountain bikes with a freewheeling chain ring
                  https://dirtmountainbike.com/news/hxr-easy-shift-crankset-allows-change-gear-without-pedalling.html



                  With this part - or something like it - any tandem frame builder should be able to get you going.






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                  Here's a picture of a half recumbent tandem
                  https://www.ucycle.com/merchant/2856/images/zoom/hase-pino-allround.jpg



                  Here is a link to a video of people riding a recumbent tandem.
                  https://binged.it/2TXkxJC
                  The video does a good job of explaining that the front crank has a freewheel mechanism that lets the riders pedal at different speeds. The front rider can also stop pedaling.



                  If this is what is meant as "independent drivetrains" then the functionality is in the crank rather than the frame itself.



                  The key to having a regular tandem like the recumbent tandem in the video is to find someone who makes a crank with a freewheeling chain ring. Like the old school Schwinn Suburban's from the late 70s with Shimano Positron FFS (Front Freewheel System).



                  Here's a link to a product for mountain bikes with a freewheeling chain ring
                  https://dirtmountainbike.com/news/hxr-easy-shift-crankset-allows-change-gear-without-pedalling.html



                  With this part - or something like it - any tandem frame builder should be able to get you going.







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